these were designed off the PIP 9mm ammo that has been out for some time, put a 209 primer in the end and you can actually use these for cheaper target practice/plinking or function test. DO NOT ADD ANY POWDER. i repeat - DO NOT ADD ANY POWDER. these have quite a bit of kick on their own, enough to take chucks of drywall, not pierce the drywall but it leaves a good chunk gone.

i would advise you download the zip folder 'PIP AMMO BETA TESTS' as that is the whole beta test you also get the PIP 9mm and PIP 556(which is VERY early beta) and i will also be updating that file as testing continues